[J.R.K]

Just curious on your progress <span class=”atwho-inserted” contenteditable=”false” data-atwho-at-query=”@Zac”>@Zack-Vegas</span>? Is your goal to drop some weight for health reasons or are you intentions to go through a cutting phase as many in the bodybuilding community do for competition purposes? I think that Haidut once mentioned that from a health perspective bodybuilders tend to be in a higher state of health than when they go through the cutting phase as it is described. Certainly there have been examples of having to low of a level of body fat, which can have significant consequences to health.
I think that Mike Fave and Jay Feldmans point might be one to that effect where going too light on one macronutrient ie fat could have long term impacts if allowed to continue for too long of a duration of time.

But I am happy to hear that you are seeing the desired results.

[J.R.K]

Mike Fave weighs in on the sugar diet and gives an example of a meal plan using chronometer to show how nutritional needs could be met using this diet style.

<span class=”atwho-inserted” contenteditable=”false” data-atwho-at-query=”@Zack”>@Zack-Vegas</span> would this be along the lines of thought you were considering incorporating in this diet?

[J.R.K]

The discussion that you mention <span class=”atwho-inserted” contenteditable=”false” data-atwho-at-query=”@Zac”>@Zack-Vegas</span> is an interesting one and brings out some valid counterpoints to Jay’s viewpoint on the sugar diet.
But I think that trying to shoehorn this new type of diet into a one size fits all approach is not how this approach should be viewed either. Simply because of every persons own unique circumstances, and these need to be considered first and foremost.
The one issue for example would be the protein restriction until evening. Given the persons occupation this might be more difficult if they are a concrete worker or block layer for example their needs may require a more consistent level of protein throughout the day compared to someone working as a computer coder, who would have a lighter demand for physical lifting continuously but need higher energy for cognitive and mental focus in their occupational choice.

I do not think that the Steve Jobs analogy would be an issue in this case, because the protein issue would be addressed and his issue was complete protein restriction. But with this diet as I am understanding it does put the protein restriction out there for a good portion of the day. So given the persons circumstances they could possibly be put into a similar situation for a period of time, whether that is beneficial to that person or not, well only they could say for certain.

[J.R.K]

Jay Feldman has a few ideas on the sugar diets reasons for success and shares some thoughts on how to modify it to be a little more safer in terms of weight loss via bone and muscle mass loss.

The elimination of grains and hard to digest foods and the subsequent endotoxin reduction are a few of the benefits this diet could offer. But warning of upregulation of the stress hormone FGF21 being the primary factor for the benefits being the trade off. Looking at a lower fat (10 to 20 percent)diet in comparison with high carbohydrate and protein at 19 percent.

[J.R.K]

You have some good points <span class=”atwho-inserted” contenteditable=”false” data-atwho-at-query=”@Zack”>@Zack-Vegas</span> once again.

I think that going back to the very start of the show if perhaps hair and nail analysis were done first to get a broader long term view of what is happening metabolically, as well as in terms of hormonal levels and heavy metals it might be a better place to look at each individuals needs.
One thing that does stick out in terms of obesity and weight gain is cortisol levels. Diabetes, atherosclerosis, cancer, all have this one thread in common in that they all seem to be accompanied with high cortisol levels, as well as serotonin, and estrogen, these lead to lower energy levels which are also symptoms that accompany these conditions.

If you look at glucocorticoids from there discovery and subsequent rapid use in the general public in the mid fifties, it is not long after in the sixties that many of these same side effects were being observed by physicians in their patients. This did actually lead to a reduction in the usage and decrease in the dosage sizes at that time. So the toxicity of high dose and chronic and subsequent systemic exposure is not new and well documented. But somewhere along the line in around the eighties it seems that dosage sizes increased.

So I think that things that oppose cortisol as well as pro metabolic substances such as B1,2,3, and six would be things to help restore the resting metabolic rate. Then accompanying it with pro metabolic raising activities such as weight training, then short burst energy exercise ie sprinting and concentric exercise to slowly rebuild the CO2 levels within the body might be a better strategy, than the eat less and move more strategy that is held within the zeitgeist currently.

This of course goes without saying would require a comprehensive look at the subject’s dietary habits. But again it goes without saying it requires an individual case by case assessment.

[J.R.K]

I can concur with what you have said here <span class=”atwho-inserted” contenteditable=”false” data-atwho-at-query=”@Z”>@Zack-Vegas</span>. From what I have seen on this in comparison to other diet strategies this approach addresses two problems that other diets seem to run into. The first being the idea of caloric restriction which will reduce weight in the short term but as Haidut has used as a prime example the long term results the participants in the show The Biggest Loser, the decline in metabolic rate and the adjustment that the body makes to its calorie upper limits before converting the extra energy into storage in the form of fat.
Second would be the energy source in the form of carbohydrates. The amount of substrate in the of  glucose on board should help keep cortisol levels lower levels which should in theory prevent the catabolism of muscle into glucose and ammonia at a minimum. In the short term this should be effective but protein and fat needs would have to assessed on a case by case basis.
I think that fruit and fruit juices would be a good starting point assuming of course there are no underlying gut issues such as SIBO.
In cases where low to no sugar diets are in place currently other strategies may need to be employed such as sipping on dextrose water which is pure glucose if one were coming from a diet like carnivore to train the body to start accepting sugar as an energy source.

[J.R.K]

The sugar diet is an interesting idea but I wonder if it does not swing the pendulum too far in the opposite direction of Keto and Carnivore ideas?

Jay Feldman went into some details on how the sugar diet works and whether FGF 21’s role is in terms of weight loss.
It could be that a sugar fast might be better than a pure intermittent fasting regimen in terms of cleaning up some gut issues. But with the caveat being the health levels of the person being the main factor.

[J.R.K]

Myself I think there was good chemistry between both Mercola and Saladino. Georgi represents Dr Peats work exceptionally well and to have two big names such as Mercola and Saladino return to carbs after going Ketogenic and Carnivore as a result of being exposed to Dr Peats work and Georgi speaks volumes in my opinion.

[J.R.K]

These are some great results that you are getting <span class=”atwho-inserted” contenteditable=”false” data-atwho-at-query=”@Lil”>@Lilac</span>. I think that with coffee caffeine gets a lot of the credit for the uplift it gives in metabolism. But there is much more to coffee and its health benefits than just caffeine. To me given that it is a whole product of nature all the other compounds in the coffee itself balance out with the caffeine, some milk and honey are my preference to balance out the stress reaction with sugar and protein. This is a change for me considering that I avoided coffee like the plague,”for health reasons”, most of my life.

[J.R.K]

I am somewhat happy that Georgi has decided to limit his research findings to the grassroots base.
One thing that the,”pandemic” showed us was the fascist face of the medical industry with effective treatments being gaslit along with those that promoted them.

I was excited with his research and funding out of his own pocket the studies to validate Dr Peats work. But the medical field operates in a tall puppet sort of centralized controlled environment. As long as you talk quietly amongst yourselves and keep your head down it seems that you are okay. But stick your head up over the crowd and it will get lopped off. It may sound cowardly but Georgi’s research and blog in my opinion will make more of an impact spreading through the population in a stealthy manner putting ideas out there without pressure. As opposed to facing the leviathan head on in direct conflict. We need his knowledge and understanding of biochemistry, to help us understand better so we can add to his impact.

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