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This doesnt seem right to me. Im lactose intolerant and grass fed beef is expensive. So what am I meant to eat?? Chicken isn’t peaty and neither is rabbit or wild game really…
I think Peat was very wrong about beans
@questforhealth ” This doesnt seem right to me. Im lactose intolerant and grass fed beef is expensive. So what am I meant to eat?? Chicken isn’t peaty and neither is rabbit or wild game really.”
Have you read any of Ray Peat’s articles? You can have immediate gratification eating beans as well as your peanut butter and many other things like supplements, but that doesn’t mean anything. It is the long term effects that I am concerned about in my diet. You can’t be the judge of if Dr. Peat was right when you are doing so many things he warns against. And chicken can be acceptable if you do like I do and stick to the the wings which is valuable because of it’s gelatinous skin. I boil the PUFA out of mine before broiling or frying them up in refined coconut oil. Wild game is a great meat to eat since those animals live naturally off of the land rather than eating an unhealthy diet of corn, soy, grains and antibiotics…
“While nutritional reference tables often show fruits and potatoes as having about 2% protein content, while nuts, grains, and legumes are shown with a high protein content, often in the range of 15% to 40%, they neglect to point out that fruits and potatoes have a very high water content, while that of the seeds is extremely low. The protein content of milk is about 3%, which according to the charts would suggest that it is inferior to beans and grains. In fact, the protein value of grain is negligible, mainly because seeds contain their protein in a storage form, that is extremely rich in nitrogen, but poor in essential amino acids. Special preparation is needed to reduce the toxicity of seeds, and in the case of beans, these methods are never very satisfactory.” -Ray Peat
”Animal proteins, and fruits, because they contain the lowest levels of toxins, should form the basis of the diet. Not all fruits, of course, are perfectly safe–avocados, for example, contain so much unsaturated fat that they can be carcinogenic and hepatotoxic.
Protein deficiency itself contributes to the harm done by toxins, since the liver’s ability to detoxify them depends on adequate nutrition, especially good protein. In the 1940s, Biskind’s experiments showed that protein deficiency leads to the accumulation of estrogen, because the liver normally inactivates all the estrogen in the blood as it passes through the liver. This applies to phytoestrogens and industrial estrogens as well as to the natural estrogens of the body. At a certain point, the increased estrogen and decreased thyroid and progesterone cause infertility, but before that point is reached, the hyperestrogenism causes a great variety of birth defects. Deformities of the male genitals, and later, testicular cancer in the sons and breast cancer in the daughters, are produced by the combination of toxins and nutritional deficiencies.” -Ray Peat
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/vegetables.shtml
Wild game will still suppress the thyroid with the methionine
and chicken has even more methionine than beef iirc
I agree about the peanut butter but beans feel great for my digestion and are naturally very low PUFA, possibly lower PUFA than fatty beef as this already has some PUFA even though its 5 percent of the fat or so.
Also wasn’t peat eating vegetables before he died? I think its worth looking at what people did before they died. Its like you suddenly make up your mind about whats right in a sense??
Einstein went vegetarian before his death because ‘he had a guilty conscience’
Dr Peat talks about Phytohaemagglutinin being so scary and dangerous but its really deactivated by cooking and soaking the beans beforehand…
‘Special preparation is needed to reduce the toxicity of seeds, and in the case of beans, these methods are never very satisfactory.” -Ray Peat’ – What? People in the middle east have been eating all sorts of funny legumes for thousands of years and they were a pretty advanced society at times????
Boiling for 10 minutes deactivates it. I don’t understand why he was talking about it as if we are eating raw beans…
My family gets the shits eating beans and yet I have been eating beans for months now and I am used to them and no problems…
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“Dr Peat talks about Phytohaemagglutinin being so scary and dangerous but its really deactivated by cooking and soaking the beans beforehand…
‘Special preparation is needed to reduce the toxicity of seeds, and in the case of beans, these methods are never very satisfactory.” -Ray Peat’ – What? People in the middle east have been eating all sorts of funny legumes for thousands of years and they were a pretty advanced society at times????
Boiling for 10 minutes deactivates it. I don’t understand why he was talking about it as if we are eating raw beans…”
I like beans and they give me no issues, but a person need to have a lot of other nutrients to balance plain old soaked beans. I see nothing wrong with having a little beans like Ray enjoyed a little hummus, I just wouldn’t trade high quality proteins for them. Many cultures get by well sprouting them, not just soaking them, turning them into a vegetable instead of a starch. Opening a can of beans and eating them are not the same.…
“In reality, sprouting is one of those pieces of ancient wisdom that was almost forgotten in society’s rush to transform food into a processed, convenient, mass-marketed commodity.”
“Credit for discovering the value of sprouted seeds traditionally goes to the Chinese, who learned to germinate legumes many centuries ago. They carried mung beans on their ocean-going ships, sprouted them throughout their voyages and consumed them in sufficient quantities to prevent scurvy. The Chinese instinctively knew that an important factor missing in nongerminated seeds was produced during the sprouting process — that substance is vitamin C . . .
Certain old French cookbooks recommend sprouting dried peas before using them in soups. Bulgur, used extensively in Middle Eastern cooking, is made from coarsely ground sprouted wheat. According to enzyme specialist Dr. Edward Howell, in the past we ate most of our grains in partially germinated form. Grain standing in sheaves and stacks in open fields often began to sprout before it was brought into storage. Modern farming techniques prevent grains from germinating before they reach our tables.”
I dont really eat many canned ones except for baked beans in tomato sauce but I cook often with dried beans and they are really good. I usually soak them overnight or for 24 hours. I don’t see how beans aren’t nutritious, they are easily more balanced than red meat. They have iron, zinc, copper, folate, b vitamins and also have carbs as part of the package. Even beans on their own are a very balanced meal compared to a piece of beef which is pure protein, b vits, zinc, selenium and not much else. No fibre or carbs.
The only reason you would associate meat with a high quality protein is because it used to be considered high status to eat meat because of you being born after the war and the generation that lived through the wars would associate meat with status but that is irrelevant to the biological reality
biologically speaking beans are a less inflammatory protein with a better amino acid composition than animal meat, animal meat and dairy (but less so dairy) is inflammatory, peat talked about inflammatory muscle meats. Also when we look it up these amino acids always suppress thyroid function.
Beans are also high in lysine which lowers serotonin. Peat spoke all about how good dopamine is at making us happy. Most animal products have a lot of tryptophan which rasies serotonin. Even dairy to a degree. Plant foods just dont have this, in fact looking at the amino acid composition (serotonin is made from tryptophan) it must be plant foods that make us happiest because they contain less ingredients for us to make neurotransmitters that contribute to us being miserable
Also a lot of people gain weight on peat eating, maybe plant based would be better for that since you technically get more minerals and vitamins per calorie in plant food
@questforhealth I came from a high bean diet as a vegetarian and on the Blood Type diet and they eventually caused issues so I went back to eating a grain free diet eating meat and dairy and I now have no health issues. So for me I will be avoiding beans still, but I hope they get you to that better state of health you are looking for.
What sort of issues?
I know 100% a plant based diet is it, I think we just need to figure out what each person needs to eat etc and why they cant handle certain food. Im pretty sure it just lies in the gut biome which means people cant digest plant foods for some strange reason
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