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Eating fruit doesnt kill anything and fruit is peaty.
Coconut is a fruit and it contains lauric acid which stimulates the thyroid, saturated fat causes heart disease even in hypothyroid people, meanwhile beef tallow isn’t the same, it never makes me feel high thyroid when I eat it but coconut always does
it is no coincidence that coconut is the peatiest and is a fruit
also yeah I have seen plant intelligence in my own garden with how strawberries fill the spots between the spaces where old ones have died or how plants make noises when exposed to pain but I don’t think they are on the same level as animals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism
‘ Traditionally Jains have been lacto-vegetarians, but modern dairy farming methods, particularly what happens to the male calves (the veal market) has caused many to pursue a vegan diet, eating no animal products.’
for example they arent allowed to eat root vegetables because it kills the plant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism
these people don’t eat root vegetables because it kills the plant
coconuts and fruit are peaty and both biologically are fruit and dont kill the plant when we take it from them
“Eating fruit doesnt kill anything and fruit is peaty.”
Are you sure?
Elderberries are a fruit, and in their raw form, they are toxic, and potentially deadly. There is a video from Dr. Michael Gregor, the famous vegan author, where he talks about making an elderberry smoothie, and it making him very sick.
“Coconut is a fruit and it contains lauric acid which stimulates the thyroid, saturated fat causes heart disease even in hypothyroid people, meanwhile beef tallow isn’t the same, it never makes me feel high thyroid when I eat it but coconut always does”
The part I highlighted is another baseless claim. Saturated fat, of any kind, has never been shown to cause heart disease in any human model. Nor has reducing saturated fat, and saturated fat alone, ever been shown to lower heart disease in any human model. The Diet-Heart Hypothesis is still just a hypothesis, because there has never been anything remotely resembling good data or research to back it up.
On the other hand, Broda Barnes did publish convincing evidence that hypothyroidism itself causes heart disease in hypothyroid people, and that supplementing them with thyroid could dramatically reduce heart disease, regardless of diet (and he himself promoted animal foods that tend to have higher amounts of saturated fat).
Ultimately, you are free to eat any diet you want for any reason you want, but it’s completely unnecessary to try and justify that diet to others with baseless claims.
“Thyroid hormone, palmitic acid, and light activate a crucial respiratory enzyme, suppressing the formation of lactic acid. Palmitic acid occurs in coconut oil, and is formed naturally in animal tissues. Unsaturated oils have the opposite effect.” -Ray Peat
What would Dr Peat say about plant milks. I can’t do any dairy any more. It literally wipes me out I must be allergic or something. I drink dairy or eat cheese and can’t get out of bed for like 15 hours straight??
Soy milk doesnt really feel that bad? But my favourite so far is oat or coconut milk and of course coconut is peaty. But I don’t know coconut tastes funny to me
also plant based icecream, based on coconut oil, is actually becoming popular in shops here? It’s really good!
am i a lunatic or is god really guiding me towards exploring plant based diets? must be right???
I’ve never heard Peat recommend any sort of plant “milk.” They are all synthetic, man made products. In general, I don’t think he recommended any sort of manmade product or brand, as ingredients can vary, and brands can change their formula over time. Take French Fries. He is critical of the high PUFA oils, so wouldn’t recommend most French Fries made in restaurants with, say, canola or soybean oil, but would probably speak favorably if they were made with either Tallow or Coconut Oil.
Most plant milks contain some sort of gum or carrageenan, which he advised people to avoid. And as for soy….. are you at all familiar with Ray Peat’s work and ideas? Read the article titled “Natural Estrogens,” and you will know his stance on pretty much every soy product you can think of. Same goes for plant based “ice creams.”
If your inner guidance is telling you to experiment with plant based diets, then why don’t you just go and experiment with them? You don’t need permission or approval from any strangers on the internet. For example, I don’t think they are a good idea at all, but my opinion is completely irrelevant to your decisions.
I’m pretty sure plant based diets are the best way to raise metabolism. I very clearly feel my body temp lowering if I eat beef or even milk. Thats why I come on here to talk about this.
I know that at some point in the future when I get fully healthy I will be able to prove that plant based diets work well. I think I’m just still struggling a bit like zinc/copper balance. As far as gut and liver health wholegrain breads MADE MYSELF with coconut oil and iron free flour have been so good for me? I feel so good eating them?? would be nice to know why, probably the fibre? i know peat spoke of soluble fibre and wheat is full of it.
The only animal product I will probably eat regularly will be oysters for zinc. But from what I read vegetarians and vegans are a bit lower in zinc but its still within range and shouldn’t cause problems.
“I’m pretty sure plant based diets are the best way to raise metabolism. I very clearly feel my body temp lowering if I eat beef or even milk. Thats why I come on here to talk about this.”
Is this the only metric you go by? First, if you are going to go by body temp after a meal, you need to realize that temperature is a huge factor. A cold glass of milk out of the fridge, or ice cream, will of course cool you down. Just like a cup of hot coffee will warm you up.
Long term results can often be different than results that occur after meals. You would really need some data over a couple weeks, say, two months of recording basal temps on an omnivorous diet, versus two months of temps on a vegan diet. The long term results might not reflect the short term results.
For example, taking a shot of vodka or some other liquor will raise the temperature of most people very quickly. This does not suggest that an alcohol based diet will raise basal temperatures in the long term, or is in any way healthy.
“I know that at some point in the future when I get fully healthy I will be able to prove that plant based diets work well.”
This is just speculation and prophecy at this point. Using a theoretical in the future as justification in the present. Odd that you think you will be able to prove this, when other vegan doctors (like Gregor, Esselstyn, and McDougall) never did, despite having doctorates and access to a lot of money and funding. In truth, it’s very hard to do something like this, as it would require a long term study (10-20 years at least), and very tight meal control of two separate groups. I don’t think such studies will ever be done, probably can’t be.
“i know peat spoke of soluble fibre and wheat is full of it.”
I think you need to go back and actually read what Ray Peat wrote. Yes, he did speak of soluble fiber. In fact, he always cautioned AGAINST consuming it, as soluble fiber feeds bacteria in the gut, and that leads to increased endotoxin and serotonin, two substances that Peat was not a fan of at all.
you know what. I think the issue is I am not healthy enough yet to express my thoughts well enough in words
I just want to say I think a vegan diet is for those wanting to reach the highest metabolic heights and have optimal brain function.
for normal people eating beef and milk is probably fine. and I know cows are good for ecosystems if kept the natural way anyways.
its easy for the world to make me doubt yourself. idk if this is a hormonal or spiritual issue.
also I think the issue is we need to use both our logical left brain and our spiritual right brain. its hard to get through to people when they are using the left scientific brain only.
speaking to family members or friends feel like speaking to robots
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