Weight Gain From Stress
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March 12, 2024 at 1:03 am #622
Recently a friend wrote me in tears telling me that she has been under extreme stress and has gained a lot of weight. I assured her that the weight will come off once her cortisol levels and stress hormones come back to normal on a consistent basis. I also recommended that she begin healing her tissues by changing her dietary choices to include Ray inspired food recipes. Does anyone have any other suggestions that I can give her?
March 12, 2024 at 1:34 am #625My first go-to recommendation for stress is sugar, Progest-E and grounding. For losing the weight she needs to go on a lowfat no starch diet, Ray Peat inspired of course.
March 15, 2024 at 12:15 am #696What Cari said.
April 6, 2024 at 4:36 pm #1237I have a couple ideas, most of them very easy, and basically cheap or free.
Obviously, the best thing to do would be to remove the stressor. Easier said than done, and sometimes, it can’t be (like a divorce or death in the family). Still, even in the most extreme circumstances, you can minimize the effects. First, whatever it is, don’t compound the problem. If she’s watching things like Law and Order or CSI, she is simply adding more stress, and it’s completely unnecessary. Better to watch something uplifting or funny. I would watch a goofy comedy like Top Secret! or Clue over those shows, any day, and certainly in a time of stress. Just make sure the comedy itself isn’t “negative,” there is a lot of that, especially with recent movies and shows.
Next, break up the stress. It can feel like a runaway train sometimes. Some simple techniques are to reach for a better mood, the Callahan tapping technique, and force a smile or laughter. A better mood could still be a negative one, but higher up. If someone is depressed to the point of contemplating suicide, trying to be joyful or blissful is simply too big a jump. But, they might be able to get to anger, and while negative, it is better than depression. If you can keep reaching for a bit better mood, you will improve over time.
I’ve tried the Callahan tapping technique, and it does seem to blow out negative moods. There are videos on youtube on how to do it yourself. It only takes a few minutes, so with no money cost, and very little time cost, it’s certainly worth a shot.
Forcing a smile and laughter is good, too. Those help create better moods, instantly. The objection is “But I don’t feel like smiling.” That’s exactly the point! Try forcing a smile for 30 seconds to start the day, and then randomly when you think of it throughout the day, and see if it improves moods and minimizes stressors. Norman Cousins decided to laugh his way to health, after some nasty diagnoses, that’s a story or book she might want to read.
I think Pregnenolone and maybe Tyrosine are good supplements to try, and in that order. Haidut posted a study on the old RPF (which you can prolly still find with a search) where Preg lowered Cortisol by 60%. I’ve been taking it at night, and it did help improve my sleep. There is also a study on that forum showing that Testosterone supplementation in men can lead to massive and sustained weight loss in overweight men. Haidut again suggested it was all about lowering cortisol (or improving the test/cortisol ratio), so progesterone might work as well (or better) in women, and it’s OTC. Either Preg or Prog or both could be very useful. I’ve found Tyrosine in the AM can sometimes boost mood (probably by increasing dopamine), but this usually only happens if I’ve been under stress for a while. But then again, that sounds like exactly what she has experienced. There is also the possibility of some pharaceuticals, like cyproheptadine or selegiline, and I think those could be useful, but the other things are worth a shot first.
Another thing is full body red light exposure. Lots of tanning salons now have red light beds, and wow, is that an experience. It was so much more relaxing that I thought. They usually seem to charge 15-20 for a session, some other “wellness” places might charge 50-75 for something like the Novothor pod. But the red light beds at tanning salons are still great. That could be something to try.
And if you want a really out there idea…… has she thought about spending a day at a nudist resort? I have heard a lot of people suggest that it’s a great way to get comfortable with your body, and hey, it would be a great way to get lots of red and infrared light. Am I serious about that? Or am I just suggesting that one as a jump start to laugh therapy?
April 7, 2024 at 1:15 am #1254Hi Zach!! Thank you for such a thoughtful response…I had given her similar suggestions to take the stress down but had not thought of those cool ways you suggested. I will let her know. She did tell me the other day that she has been trying a modified of Cari suggests – less starch carbs and more fruit and sugar carbs with good proteins. AND she did get some Progest-e and when in an extremely stressful moments where her mind is stressing and can not turn it off, she puts some on her lips like a lip balm and she said within a few minutes a calm comes over her. The good news is that everything together seems to be working, she put on a pair of pants that previously were too small. She had saved them because she loves them but couldn’t wear them. This is a huge victory. She seemed less mentally down and low then last time.
I want to thank everyone on this thread who responded. I shared with her and she tried the best she could.
I appreciate the community of support!!
April 7, 2024 at 9:23 am #1256I have been doing Peat for a long time and I have only recently caught on to the following. But if someone can zero in on mood responses to what she eats, it could be a big help.
A while back, I noticed that after eating pork and cabbage (not Peaty, I know) two days in a row, I was in a gray, gloomy mood. I haven’t eaten pork as a main dish or a side of cabbage since.
This past week, I ate wild salmon (not Peaty, I know) two days in a row and had another gloomy, suppressed-energy day. That’s it. I am not going to cook salmon at home anymore.
I think the two-days-in-a-row factor was the revelation. The poison is in the dose. That said, I am going to avoid even one dose of those foods.
Then try to identify foods that improve move. Ice cream is great for lowering stress, but it will not be helpful if someone is upset about weight gain.
April 12, 2024 at 10:43 pm #1344Are you having sugar with the proteins?
April 13, 2024 at 12:28 am #1347That is very interesting @Lilac! It makes so much sense – we are not separate pieces but an integrated ecosystem of mind (energy), emotions (energy), matter, inner self. Paying close attention and tuning would be revealing and honestly journaling it could reveal patterns over time. I will write her and offer your suggestions. 🥰
Thank you!
May 15, 2024 at 5:32 pm #1784“Muscle physiologists and endocrine physiologists know that fatigue, stress and excess estrogen can cause the tissues to swell hugely, increasing their weight and water content without increasing their protein content.” -Ray Peat
“There are many ways to increase the water content of meat, besides feeding estrogen to the animal and soaking the meat after slaughter. Everything that causes water retention and tissue swelling in the living animal, that is, every kind of stress, fatigue, poisoning, malnutrition and injury, will make the animal gain weight, without consuming expensive nutritious food. Crowding, fright, and other suffering increase water retention and accelerate the breakdown of fats and proteins.“
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/meat-physiology-stress.shtml
May 22, 2024 at 10:34 pm #1948Very interested in this topic, we have a young family member (late thirties) who has experienced traumatic stress and has gained 50 pounds in the past two years. Just in case I have the opportunity to offer some ideas to her, I listened to a Strong Sistas YT video with Dr. Peat and also re-read many of Cari’s excellent threads on the old forum. Dr. Peat emphasized how full fat milk has higher PUFA which can tip the balance toward lactate cycle for someone who is already overweight, so low fat milk is key for weight loss.
In thinking about the options, we don’t have raw milk available here in FL and low fat milk is supplemented with D and A vitamins. Since it’s a trade off are there ways to mitigate the added synthetic vitamins….eggshell calcium/low fat cheese perhaps instead of milk? I opt to drink the whole milk but notice I have to carefully balance fats to maintain weight so doubt that’s a good choice for her. Always grateful for all the kind suggestions offered. 🙂
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