what is wrong with people?

[Anonymous]

ok but a big part of digestion is bacterial too and the undigestable parts are  fermented by bacteria and produce beneficial effects in MANY ways which science has documented

i use way less toilet paper on a  plant based diet to be honest it just comes out too crispy clean

and about yeast im sure  the estrogen is less of a concern than estrogen in milk due to the fibre in the bread

[Zack Vegas]

“ok but a big part of digestion is bacterial too and the undigestable parts are  fermented by bacteria and produce beneficial effects in MANY ways which science has documented”

True, most humans do have a microbiome that breaks down undigested food products further, but since bacteria aren’t human, nor part of a human, they are not, by definition, part of “human digestion.”  You basically state this in the quote, by talking about bacteria fermenting “undigestible parts” of food.  Some humans don’t have any gut bacteria, with David Vetter being a prime example.  Some humans on long term antibiotic regimens are thought to have germ free digestive tracts as well.  So gut bacteria aren’t strictly necessary for human life.

While some bacteria may have some positive effects on the gut, and some may make beneficial compounds, they can also make some very negative compounds for human health.  The prime examples are endotoxin, lactic acid, and serotonin.  Again, this is one of Peat’s core principles that you should at least be familiar with, since you are on a forum that is primarily focused on discussing and implementing his work and ideas.  There’s even the extreme case of “Auto-Brewery Syndrome,” where people have gut bacteria that make enough alcohol from carbohydrates to become drunk.  As such, eating a diet that largely bypasses human digestion and relies heavily on fermentation by bacteria may not be the best idea.

[Anonymous]

but most healthy people have stomach acid. you won’t bypass  healthy digestion

drinking sugar water would feed bacteria just as much as fibre. or even meat most likely. bacteria need other nutrients than just fibre. Why does fibre produce endotoxin but not milk? I imagine with the liver thing like what Johan was talking about milk would be even worse since its technically designed to cause leaky gut in infants or baby cows but obviously thats not so good for an adult

 

also I think a big reason  for adding plant foods is they are more copper rich, copper deficiency has been linked to poor liver function and even insulin resistance and fatty liver. A lot of animal foods people eat unless its organ meats have a really poor copper balance. Wholegrains, beans and so on have a lot of copper relative to zinc which I think is very helpful. I imagine the high calories, saturated fat and low copper in animal food can contribute to diabetes in some way??

certain types of fibre like those found in onions ferment in the gut to produce butyrate which then seals the gut. happy bacteria happy gut. A leaky gut means you have endotoxin flowing into the liver through the portal vein and burdening it. This sort of thing has literally scientifically been shown to  damage the liver if it goes on long enough. I experienced huge worsening of liver symptoms from drinking lots of milk and eating lots of cheese. Especially  when zinc deficient.

Now eating beans, raw leafy greens, wholegrains I do feel ‘cleaner’ like what Johan mentioned and my liver feels like its healing, my sense of smell and hearing is improving too which is connected to the liver and my digestion is getting better and better

we can have endotoxin in the gut but if the gut isn’t leaky its  just going to go right through you and get passed out. when you have a leaky gut from too much milk I think thats when the problems start.

 

[J.R.K]

It’s also bizarre to recommend “whole grains” to someone with digestive issues, as whole grains (like whole wheat and brown rice) are always harder to digest than refined grains (like refined flour and white rice, assuming no added iron).  Many people find eliminating ALL grains as beneficial to their digestive system

@Zack Vegas, what are your thoughts  on having inadequate stomach acid as a root cause of inflammation as well as infection leading to many diseases including conditions such as acid reflux as a result of the lower esophageal sphincter requiring a certain level of acidity to close properly,  SIBO, many autoimmune conditions such as celiac disease as well other conditions due to improperly breakdown of foods as well as improperly destroyed bacterium entering the intestine and potentially the bloodstream due to leaky gut.

One of the pieces that I learned during COVID-19 was that foreign protein in the bloodstream is an absolute danger signal. So if at the primary breakdown in chewing with saliva breaking food down is poor, then the secondary breakdown is inadequate due to low hydrochloric acid levels the proteins are not adequately broken down into separate amino acids, with intact or partially broken down proteins then entering the small intestine and eventually the colon leading to various other diseases from this inflammation.

Dr Mercola mentioned that Vitamin D is required for stomach acid but did not go into detail as to how. But salt containing chloride as well as hydrogen rich foods ie fruits this would be providing the materials the stomach needs for acid production.

[Zack Vegas]

“@Zack Vegas, what are your thoughts  on having inadequate stomach acid as a root cause of inflammation as well as infection leading to many diseases including conditions such as acid reflux as a result of the lower esophageal sphincter requiring a certain level of acidity to close properly,  SIBO, many autoimmune conditions such as celiac disease as well other conditions due to improperly breakdown of foods as well as improperly destroyed bacterium entering the intestine and potentially the bloodstream due to leaky gut.”

I think it’s highly likely.  The explanation I’ve heard for acid reflux sounds dead on.  Some antacids (like Tums, aka Calcium Carbonate) actually stimulate the stomach to make more acid, in the long run.  A bit counter intuitive, but the body is dynamic, unlike a solution of acid in a test tube.  In a sense, anything you eat or drink is an antacid (including mild acids like vinegar and lemon juice), as they will all raise the pH of the stomach, at least temporarily, because the stomach is so acidic (with a pH between 1-3, before eating or drinking).  It also makes so much sense for SIBO, and anything else that overfeeds bacteria in the lower intestine, leading to more endotoxin and such, leading to more inflammation.

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