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Which foods do you think are carcinogens?
Today I listened to a radio interview Dr. Ray Peat did with the Herb Doctors, maybe in 2022, wherein a listener asked Ray what are the top three carcinogenic foods. Ray’s reply was PUFAs, excessive meat intake (specifically mentioning tryptophan, cysteine, methionine), and food very rich in iron.
Why do peaters eat so much red meat when Dr Peat regularly spoke of it being pretty bad??
I would dare say milk might be carcinogenic.
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2022-05-06-dairy-products-linked-increased-risk-cancer
also modern agriculture techniques leaving cancer protecting chemicals out of everything from vegetables to grains to fruits and roots… the plants cant even make the natural medicine anymore to be honest…
You are making an assumption that, “peaters eat so much red meat”. This is false. What is the measure of “so much”?
on some of the other forums seeing people talk about eating red meat basically daily
“animals fed large amounts of cod liver oil nearly all died of cancer, but when they were fed the same amount of oil with a large vitamin E supplement, their cancer rate was normal.” -Ray Peat
I’d agree with Peat on the PUFA and foods rich in iron, especially foods “fortified” with iron. A high bodily iron load is fairly easily reduced, with blood donation in most cases. I think the inflammatory aminos are a distant third, a focus on balancing them out with glycine or gelatin can help a lot. Peat in his last year took some extreme measures to lower methionine, and I think on the whole it was counterproductive, and at the very least, ineffective. I would focus more on adding gelatin than cutting down on meat.
I think a secondary problem with the high iron, especially fortified iron, is how much it favors bacterial growth. This probably leads to higher levels of endotoxin, serotonin, and lactate, all of which are cancer promoters. I suspect some sort of gut protocol focused on lowering overall bacteria numbers can be very helpful.
Last, I’m not even sure how bad most cancers are on their own. A lot of the fears of cancer actually are from the “treatments,” and it may very well be that the treatments are shortening life spans to a greater degree than cancers themselves.
@Zack-Vegas Wow you said a lot here (above) that got my attention, especially the cancer thing. I have read so much on cancer this last 5+ years and I am convinced of the same. I am now thinking that tumors are the body’s cage to keep cancer from spreading. Biopsies and cutting into them opens that cage. I have seen so many people die from the cutting and biopsies while those that take the route of changing their diets and leave the tumors alone do far better. It is well known that nobody dies from cancer they die from normal illnesses from a weakened immune system and chemotherapy kills the immune system. I know people that have live with their tumors like normal people for decades. I know a couple who never biopsied and the tumors shrank and disappeared.
As for the meat I don’t cut back on my meat consumption because of the possibility of cancer, but rather to cut back on the iron which is aging to my skin. I find dairy, fruits, egg yolks and shellfish to make a noticeable positive difference.
<span class=”atwho-inserted” contenteditable=”false” data-atwho-at-query=”@Cari”>@Cari</span> Cutting back on red meat to limit or reduce body iron does work. Dr. Fachinni had a long term study with that, and ferritin levels in the group that ate mainly chicken, dairy, and eggs did show a lowering of ferritin, as well as improvements in some long term health markers. Dairy and eggs are particularly useful, as not only are they very low in iron, but also have compounds that scavenge free iron (like lactoferrin), and some that block the absorption of iron (like calcium).
I do think surgery for some tumors is warranted, especially if the tumor is causing problems aside from the tumor itself (like causing overproduction of certain hormones if it’s on something like the pituitary, or restricting a function like breathing if it’s in an area like the throat), but otherwise, don’t think much of the “standard” treatments. Haidut posted a study a while ago showing that simply heating a tumor can be beneficial, it may be that any benefits of radiation come from heating the tumor. If that’s the case, wouldn’t some medically supervised sauna sessions be superior to radiation, both for health and enjoyment of the patient? I’ve even seen some people that accept chemotherapy, but oppose how it’s given. One man chose to do a long term course (3 years), but did a much smaller amount daily, rather than the larger bolus doses given over a shorter amount of time. He reported only minor side effects (like occasional mouth sores and nausea), but never even needed a day off work. He ended up taking a far larger amount in total, but his body seemed to be able to process it easier. Which makes sense. Someone who drinks a liter or two of vodka over an hour or two would likely suffer serious consequences, maybe even coma or death. But, if they drank that same amount an ounce a day over a period of months, the damage it caused would be far less severe, and might not even be noticeable in many people.
@Zack-Vegas “Haidut posted a study a while ago showing that simply heating a tumor can be beneficial, it may be that any benefits of radiation come from heating the tumor. If that’s the case, wouldn’t some medically supervised sauna sessions be superior to radiation, both for health and enjoyment of the patient? I’ve even seen some people that accept chemotherapy, but oppose how it’s given. One man chose to do a long term course (3 years), but did a much smaller amount daily, rather than the larger bolus doses given over a shorter amount of time. He reported only minor side effects (like occasional mouth sores and nausea), but never even needed a day off work. He ended up taking a far larger amount in total, but his body seemed to be able to process it easier.”
I never heard of this heating cancer angle. It makes me think of how people take medication to bring down even the slightest fever. The heat of a fever is the body’s defense in killing the infection. Too high of a fever is something to be of concern, but I now see a fever so differently.
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