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I’m confused, why do us Christians eat meat
If we are meant to be NOT OF THIS WORLD. Not of the flesh. I feel more connected to god and spirit eating no meat, just fish.
When I eat no meat or dairy I get no bad physical symptoms but I also feel so spiriually aware, isn’t that what matters in this world since we are fighting spiritual battles on a daily??
I’ve also been reading about how Roman legionaires were mostly grain eaters. In fact I read how they would get angry if they had to eat meat, they would often trade animals in for grains as they thought grains gave them more stamina?
What does everyone think? I’m starting to feel totally amazing and more confident by the day on this vegetarian diet
Ray Peat once said, ““Nutrition is as complex and open and undefined as metaphysics or cosmology or anything. It’s a process of exploring and learning, and figuring things out. It’s never a closed book; never a finished subject. Everything is always changing, and always individual, and always changed by context. So what’s true for one person today, where they are, will necessarily be somewhat different when they are in a different place doing different things.”
And…
“Keeping the metabolic rate up is the main thing, and there are lost of ways to do it.”
Nobody knows for sure what the Roman legionnaires actually ate.
Yes!
I have heart disease and I was getting mini heart attacks from all those animal products.
People on the other forum that was made after the Ray Peat forum sort of died were telling me to eat all these raw animal products. What a disgrace. No warning about how dangerous it can be.
Plants make me feel warm and confident. That is everything I ever wanted in life. Potatoes, legumes, fruits, vegetables make me feel amazing. Coconut water.
I have found that Ray’s reasoning for his diet recommendations are sound. He said meat is not optimal and that a small portion once a day is “safe”, but safe does not mean optimal. Nobody sticks to a small portion either…
“50% of the animal is glycine and collagen. ancient cultures ate the whole animal and prized the organs and skin, and gave most of the muscle meat to the dogs.” -Ray Peat
As for being vegetarian I was the fattest I have ever been being a vegetarian. Maybe if you are anything other than an “O” blood-type you might fare better, but my teenage son and I had a horrible time with it. My son was in his teens and was having kidney problems from all of the oxalates from the grains and vegetables. If I were to do it again I would skip the grains, and stick to boiled potatoes, fruit waters, eggs and dairy, and some occasional cooked vegetables.
“One thing that happens in the vegetable diet, heavily based on [the] cabbage family, or beans, lentils and nuts, these proteins, in quality, rank about 15 times lower than the highest quality protein.” -Ray Peat
“Poor people, especially in the spring when other foods were scarce, have sometimes subsisted on foliage such as collard and poke greens, usually made more palatable by cooking them with flavorings, such as a little bacon grease and lots of salt. Eventually, “famine foods” can be accepted as dietary staples. The fact that cows, sheep, goats and deer can thrive on a diet of foliage shows that leaves contain essential nutrients. Their minerals, vitamins, and amino acids are suitable for sustaining most animal life, if a sufficient quantity is eaten. But when people try to live primarily on foliage, as in famines, they soon suffer from a great variety of diseases. Various leaves contain antimetabolic substances that prevent the assimilation of the nutrients, and only very specifically adapted digestive systems (or technologies) can overcome those toxic effects.” -Ray Peat
I’m wracking my brains trying to figure this out. Yes potatoes and fruit juice. I found out recently gut bacteria in a healthy gut can break down oxalates.
Doesn’t digesting protein by definition age us? I think even Dr Peat said this. I saw a video of some african tribe who eats mainly sorghum grain which I’ve been enjoying and the men are muscular and tall.
Yes! About the muscle meat. My mother used to boil pigs feet. Maybe I could tlel my mum to skim off the PUFA with the chicken wing recipe trick and enjoy my pigs feet jelly guilt free.
So roots, shoots, tubers and fruits as well as some dairy if possible. I do actually find beans can make me feel warm. But I have lived a fairly ‘unhygienic’ life growing up which could mean that led to me having a healthier gut than most people? Since I’ve been exposed to a lot of bacteria. Maybe Dr Peat didn’t make the connection between the gut micriobiome and being able to handle veggies… I’m not sure. All I know is meat and milk makes me feel horrible. Also blood type diets! Yes! That’s where I got the idea from to go vegetarian but also other things.
Still early days but its chaotic and confusing…
I’m not trying to be political or anything. I come from a conservative country and all that. I just want to be healthy. In case anyone thinks im trying to say this or that…
Why would you think grain and fish is any less of this world than meat and milk? Anything you eat or drink has physical form. It came from the earth, and it will return to the earth.
I don’t recall Dr. Peat ever saying that digesting protein “ages” a person. In his last year, he did experiment with a low protein diet, but as I recall, that was specifically to restrict Methionine. I remember one forum member (TCA300) thinking that the low protein diet lead to a decline in his health, he often didn’t sound as sharp in interviews in the last year. I thought the same thing, and I wonder if that low protein experiment was a factor in the death of his physical body. I think the Glycine/Methionine ratio, or an Anti-Inflamatory AA/Inflamatory AA ratio is more important than seriously restricting Methionine and the other problamatic AAs. Especially if that means restricting protein for an extended period of time. I’ve always felt better with a protein target around 150g or so a day, and the higher glycine amounts I’ve been doing recently seem to be better than getting all that protein from “common” animal sources. But gelatin, collagen, and tendon are still very much animal foods.
Of couse, with all that being said, if you are seeing good results, then keep doing what you are doing.
Potatoes do have lots of protein and I can eat a lot of them. Same for peas.
Has anyone seen Polynesian men? Their diet is mainly seafood, starches and fruits with some meat every once in a while, probably part of a ceremony. All very tall and muscular.
I love oysters, I like them more than meat. Might try add them. I struggle to think the garden of Eden was anything but vegetarian.
The Garden of Eden was a perfect place without pollution and exhausted soil. The oceans weren’t toxic with the fish storing heavy metals and whatever else was flushed down the toilet. It is like being in a war zone thinking you are in the Garden of Eden comparing now to then. I agree with Peat on the dairy to let the cow’s liver filter out these things. I would only eat seafood and no meat if it didn’t have it’s own toxicity. I have to filter my cottage cheese and yogurt through a coffee filter for days to drain off the lactic acid and soak my fruit for days to get the most out of it without the rest and filter out the fluoride from my water before drinking. Those Polynesian warrior men spent all day on their food and health and in the sunshine. I can’t imagine them sitting around watching tv and in cubicles in front a computer screen worrying. I think the food choices are fifty percent of the health equation maybe even less. Attitude, activity, outdoors in fresh air and sunshine, laughter, sleep, friendships, gratitude, kindness, an adventurous spirit, spirituality, quest for knowledge, an open mind and more are more important. Then there are the things that complicate health and all that I mentioned above with medications, supplements, doctor visits, giving a lot of power to people who don’t care about you and doctors, caring about what people think, grudges, stinginess, and no thought to what they are filling their minds with in what they watch on screens and read, and plain old overthinking everything and worrying. I don’t make every perfect food choice I just make the best one at the moment, which gets me far. If I am at a burger joint I’m not going to starve, I will strategize and continue my path of living healthy and happily.
“If we added up all of the special ‘avoidance’ diets, no one could eat anything. Many people are ruining their health by avoiding too many foods.” -Ray Peat
Hi Cari,
Have you seen this?
I know you like growing fruit, might interest you
I still feel manic from heavy metals it’s tiring I can never stop thinking. at least god gives me sun when I need it. Low pufa and I get a bit lobster red but don’t burn… not bad.. since taking a heavy metal detox supplement people call me charming and I’m able to socialise better.. slowly slowly I can go back to normal
god bless
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