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  • #1819
    Zack-Vegas
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      Oh, I certainly remember the Jack in the Box E. Coli scare.  It was right after that that they brought the Jack mascot back, and also offered free coupons for Jumbo Jacks, no other purchase required (I think I had a few, I know my friends had several, but it was a very good way to combat the negative press, and a goldmine for high school students, which I was at the time.  And the promotion was worth every penny it cost the company).

      But thinking back….. how did they know?  The Wiki page says it killed 4 children and infected 732 total.  Not a huge number in the US or from 75 restaurants, although the deaths of 4 children are tragic, regardless of cause.  But how did they know those deaths were from E Coli?  How did they trace that E Coli back to Jack In The Box?  How can they be sure all those cases are related?  Was this just another faux media epidemic/pandemic scare?  Was it a coverup for something nefarious, like a chemical spill?  Was it a story designed to oust a CEO or someone in the company from a position of power?  Or maybe to depress the stock price so a group of investors could pick it up on the cheap?

      If you look at the source for those stats on the wiki page, it lists a book published in 2001, a book published in 2010, and a news article about a different “outbreak” in 2008.  How reliable are those sources for an event that happened in 1992-93?  How come no medical journals?  Or case studies?  Testimony from the patients doctors?  Or even news articles from 1993 or 1994?

      Every time I’ve looked into a widely held medical belief, it seems not only is it questionable, but most of the time, the data backing it is so flimsy, it makes the circumstantial evidence for something like Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster look iron clad.

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      #1823
      Zack-Vegas
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        Of course Vanden Bosche has a right to free speech, but that’s not the point.  For his theory to be valid or plausible, it needs to have evidence to back it up.  You need to review the evidence for the existence of viruses, the evidence that viruses and/or other germs cause disease or symptoms. the evidence that vaccination causes mutation of viruses, the evidence the mRNA shots cause mutation of viruses, the evidence for transmission of viruses, and so forth.  If any of this evidence is questionable or lacking completely (and I think one or both apply at every single step I mentioned), then his theory becomes so implausible that it shouldn’t be of any concern.  Sure, it’s possible that some aliens might land on the White House lawn tomorrow and give a detailed press conference on their history that is transmitted for the world to see and believe, but the possibility is so minute and not backed up by any precedent of similar actions occurring that we can basically ignore the possibility.

        #1824
        Zack-Vegas
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          There is one other reason I think worries of a “real pandemic” are basically a distraction.  Let’s say one does occur in the next ten years, and use the Event 201 model.  They had 65 Million deaths over 18 months.  If you add 10 Million to that number, and then add an extra 1 Million deaths per year from the new disease that caused the pandemic after the initial 18 month period, it still wouldn’t rise to the top cause of death over the period of a decade.  The death toll from the novel pandemic would be 85 Million, while cancer would be about 100 Million, and Heart Disease, 160+ Million, or so.  So again, even in this scenario, everyone would be ignoring the deaths of 260 Million to focus on the deaths of 85 Million.  Really, it would be more like ignoring the deaths of 560 Million that die from all causes over a decade, to focus on 85 Million.

          The whole idea is a distraction, from my point of view.  It’s a distraction on a large scale, and it’s a distraction when looking at your own life.  Any time you spend worrying about some virus or germ “out there” is time you aren’t using to focus on your own real world life and health right now.  Time that could be spent focusing on better foods, working out developing your body, reading, researching, focusing on your goals or career, spending time with friends and family.  All things that will protect you against very real diseases and conditions right this moment, as well as a theoretical future pandemic, if even possible.

          Mind you, the above described pandemic hasn’t occured in the past century (even the worst Covid propagandists will admit when pressed that it didn’t rise to the level claimed during Spanish Flu, and a cursory look at the numbers prove it).  And when you consider how all diseases became both less frequent and less virulent as sanitation improved over the years, my conclusion is that such a pandemic is impossible, unless things continue to degrade in cities like San Francisco and Manhattan, and even then, it would still probably take several more decades of such decline.

          Maybe we should start ignoring doctors and scientists, and start praising the great work of plumbers, garbagemen, the refrigeration and cooking professions, and those working in pest control.  The latter are preventing pandemics every single day, while the former (mostly) take credit for their work, and then spread a bunch of fear.

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          #1827
          Johann2547
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            Why the elderberry, black cumin seed and tea?

            The use of teas has been used for centuries for respiratory illnesses. In this study they demonstrate that tea apparently reduces viral load, with black tea delivering the best results. The prevailing theory is the high levels of polyphenols provided by teas. They demonstrate that even gargling without consumption can reduce the viral load by as much as ninety nine percent point nine percent.

            What is context for this statement? Are you aware of the fallacy known as Effect proves the Cause?

            What if, disease does not come from exosomes, but rather disease causes the production of exosomes?

            If hydrogen peroxide is poured onto a wound, does it destroy the tiny organisms with all that bubbling? What if those tiny organisms were designed to do job of cleaning up?

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            #1998
            J.R.K
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              But certainly a contributing factor to the cancer and cardiovascular diseases,”pandemics”  if you will already in play.

              https://x.com/PeterSweden7/status/1784900117859889382/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1784900117859889382&currentTweetUser=PeterSweden7

               

              #4060
              Zack-Vegas
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                While I certainly don’t think taking a poorly tested, dangerous, and ineffective drug is a good idea for anyone at risk or diagnosed with heart disease or cancer (or anyone for that matter), there is no evidence that the Covid “vaccines” are a contributing factor in any way.  I don’t like the term “turbo cancer,” it’s made up and doesn’t really mean anything, and not official in any way.

                I’ve seen people try and use studies that used data from 2000-2018 that show all forms of cancer are on the rise in all age groups to somehow claim that the Covid vaccines are a primary cause.  But this can’t be, because they weren’t publicly available during those times.  Assuming that there really is an increase in cancer, and it’s not just a result of more aggressive screening and diagnostic symptoms (which is itself very likely), then things like stress, poverty, cortisol levels, PUFA, and body iron stores are the very likely culprits, and need to be seriously examined.

                And if doctors really have been seeing an increase in numbers or aggressiveness or speed of cancers in the past few years, the vaccines shouldn’t be looked at as the only potential cause.  The first intervention was widespread isolation, which is known to increase cortisol levels, and cortisol drives cancer development.  Heavy mask use was also recommended, and that leads to an increase in bacteria in the front of the GI tract (and probably whole body), which leads to increased endotoxin and serotonin, which are other driving factors in both chronic diseases.  People were also put out of work and many had their businesses destroyed, and both lack of money and lack of hope for the future can affect the incidence and aggressiveness of heart disease and cancer (and every other disease, as well).

                And don’t forget, one of the main responses to the alleged and prophesized “pandemic” was to lay off 50%+ of healthcare workers, including doctors and nurses.  Treatments for heart disease and cancer (which were the number 1 and 2 killers, and never budged from the top spots) were put on hold for 3-6 months, or longer.  Some treatments may have been cancelled altogether, and many died during this time, which normal treatment may have prevented.  If you believe the standard narrative that doctors and nurses save lives, this move is completely indefensible, insane,  and maybe even an act of mass murder, or genocide.  The logic “We have a pandemic on our hands, quick, get rid of all doctors and nurses!” sounds like a joke, but it was actual, worldwide policy.

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                #4063
                J.R.K
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                  These are all excellent points <span class=”atwho-inserted” contenteditable=”false” data-atwho-at-query=”@Za”>@Zack Vegas</span>.

                  In terms of the medical professionals if you will, I remember hearing that one of the lectures that first year medical students have is why it is a bad idea to vaccinate into a pandemic, but I will call it an outbreak. The idea being that by doing so it cuts the immune system in half while the environment still has the same amount of pathogens and other stresses still present. I would argue that even if you took the so called antigen in vaccines out and were only injected with the adjuvant you would still have an inflammatory immune response, perhaps stress reaction would be a better term. We are told that with the traditional vaccines that the shot will stay at the injection site, but recently CDC did come out with data from many years ago demonstrating that there is a connection to autism and vaccines so the works of Andrew Wakefield and Chris Eckersley on this topic seems to be gaining some traction in the general public that vaccines are not necessarily harmless.

                  I think that one aspect that has not been talked about is that people with hypertension and diabetes were considered particularly susceptible to this pathogen. But when you see alternative treatments all had a combination of both Vitamin D as well as zinc in the protocols somewhere, then if you cross reference with the medications that treat these co morbidity’s I was surprised that magnesium, potassium, vitamin D and zinc are all depleted by a high percentage of these drugs. It may be a coincidence, however if a lay person like myself can find this how is it that a healthcare professional would not be allowed to try these cheap and necessary compounds that the body needs for the most efficient conversion of cellular energy which I have come to believe is the ultimate key component for true health to flourish.

                  As for the healthcare professionals, I think that to go to them for critical emergencies such as a car crash or needing a bone set it is probably the best place to be. But to go for your regular check up I would recommend having the attitude of going to a sales meeting, they are going to try to sell you on something because that is their job.

                  #4064
                  Zack-Vegas
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                    “I think that one aspect that has not been talked about is that people with hypertension and diabetes were considered particularly susceptible to this pathogen.”

                    Well, that is one way to put it.  While I think this statement does get at the truth, I would put it another way- People who were dying from things like cancer, heart disease and pneumonia often had “Covid” slapped on their death certificate to inflate the number.  This page from the CDC lays it all out-

                    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

                    “For over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19 [the other 95%], on average, there were 4.0 [!!!!] additional conditions or causes per death. 

                    This, itself, is a stunning admission.  They flat out tell you they inflated the death count by a factor of 20!  Or, for every 100 COVID deaths, there were actually 480 causes.  And those “additional causes” frequently included things like cancer, heart disease, and lethal trauma, in addition to things like diabetes and hypertension.  A famous prime example of this is Colin Powell.  He was 84, had Parkinsons and Multiple Myeloma, and yet, if you do a search for “Colin Powell Death,” you will get multiple articles stating something like “Colin Powell dies from COVID while battling cancer.”  Really?  In what half sane world would you claim an 84 year old cancer and Parkinsons patient died of an alleged common cold virus?  All that is needed to put COVID down as a cause is a positive surrogate test, (as “viruses” have never been directly detected in any bodily fluid of any human or animal), or a judgement call from his doctors.

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